tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363034.post2335745859356475882..comments2023-07-18T04:11:59.710-05:00Comments on Joy: post on NLMUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363034.post-44878248767324246462007-08-09T16:15:00.000-05:002007-08-09T16:15:00.000-05:00Mass of Creation? That is done by M. Haugen if I'm...Mass of Creation? That is done by M. Haugen if I'm not mistaken and should be de facto banned. <BR/><BR/>As for people being too picky on chant, it reminds me of what Mosebach said in "Heresy of Formlessness", that the liturgical crisis has forced all of us, even those wanting to return to tradition, to become liturgical "experts" on what should and should not be done in the liturgy. We have lost the ability to simply take n the liturgy and be lifted to God by it...we have turned into a bunch of commentators because the abuses have forced us to become knowledgeable. Sigh...Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363034.post-36413445152259571062007-08-07T22:21:00.000-05:002007-08-07T22:21:00.000-05:00I still actually don’t mind MoC too much. The “gra...I still actually don’t mind MoC too much. The “grant us <I>your</I> peace” line sounds hokey, but it hasn’t grated on me so much as it apparently has others. (That could have something to do with my not rememering it while growing up - really, I didn’t run ninto it until college.)<BR/><BR/>We <B>should</B>, I think, have a chant Mass setting that is as ubiquitous as MoC. I really think the JD chants are the way to go here - get people chanting, <B>then</B> make the leap to something else. I don’t buy the argument that nothing else will be possible; if you can’t do Mass VIII now because of inaccessibility, I fail to see how a more remote tonal/modal language will fare any better. Use Mass VIII as a stepping-stone, in other words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363034.post-26978874811431756562007-08-07T18:07:00.000-05:002007-08-07T18:07:00.000-05:00Do you like the Mass of Creation?I don't. It's a ...Do you like the Mass of Creation?<BR/><BR/>I don't. It's a great composition, easily accessible to a congregation, interesting, etc. But it's just used too much. Particularly for our generation, we have heard it EVERY MASS OF OUR LIVES! You and I are musicians, each time we hear a piece again we can find a new dimension with which to appreciate it. With the Mass of Creation, we're just all done with it, there's no more left to enjoy in it. I think Jeff (and I agree with him) just doesn't want to see the Requiem Mass Ordinary or Missa De Angelis turn into that.<BR/><BR/>If I could do as I please (and by and large I can) I would only hear Mass XVIII at funerals and daily Masses in Advent and Lent. It's a nice Mass, but it doesn't bear much repetition. I like Mass 8, but it's the common "next step" for chant churches, so if you get around you hear it a lot. It's much nicer than 18, but still... hear that Gloria enough and even a major scale sounds bad. If I were to sum up Jeff's sentiment, I'd say "use your imagination." Open your Kyriale to a random page and use that Mass, because chances are it's splendid (Mass XV is quite good). Don't just do what every single other parish on NLM is doing, because that's what leads to chant being devalued by congregations and musicians.<BR/><BR/>-GavinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com